Brian McQuade, Reflection on Housing First of all, they invited local and international designers to attend a three day team design effort to come up with imaginative projects that would redress the problems they had in their 3-storey, concrete block houses.7, The group then lobbied the City Council, the Scottish Office and finally Westminster, until they were eventually given the go-ahead to revamp one of the old blocks of 6 houses into model they desired. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. The first trade I learnt was stealing and gambling yet it seemed normal to all of us as children. we were easy pleased in those days. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council \"modernised\" it and tried to reintroduce the original name Moorepark but after 40 years of being the Wine Alley most people forgot about or even knew that the Wine Ally was originally called Moorepark and did not approve of the name Moorepark and continued to call it Wine Alley. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. However, given the area's reputation there was also a large numbers of empty houses. JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? 81 Albums for you to enjoy : Bellahouston Academy School Photo's St Saviour's Primary School Photo's Lourdes Primary School Photo's St Gerards School. who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. Doublers; Rounders; Kick the Can; Ropes I could go on and on particularly with the little verses we once recited lodged in my brain still! In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. [3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Renton, WA 98058. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. Related Pages. Dry Docks Cafe. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Forgotten account? One summer, I walked to the steamie and managed to get some photos of it. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. What Damer said about community could also be said about officialdom for they too can be victims of circumstance whenever decisions for the better do not influence policies for the worse. These were not cleared until well into the 1970s. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. I went to Govan High school and Fairfield Primary school, I worked at MacDonalds biscuit factory then went to Toronto with my husband Dan Slavin, I miss my wee town, it will not be same anymore. Would love to get in touch with any old pals for the era 1965-1976. 'The. They were friendly and knowledgable, it was a great experience. It was a two bedroom, living room with a kitchenette and full bathroom. Govan Church was rebuilt in 1762, and again in 1826. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. Went to St. Gerards School from January 1959 to December 1962. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. (they lived up the pen at No. My cousins and I thought we should try this. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. It was the policy that those with low incomes, few housing points or nowhere else to go, could only expect the least attractive housing. Clyde News. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard 5 Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. And Linda Paterson, I knew your dad Geordie Paterson, and I think he had a brother Willie. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. British Shipbuilders road to privatisation was not as swift, and the group was sold piece by piece throughout the course of the 1980s. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. Resources were stretched as detectives dealt with high levels of violence including murder - much of it drug related. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. The Version table provides details related to the release that this issue/RFE will be addressed. The following year, Fairfields and the other major Clydeside yards (Stephens, Connels, Yarrows and John Browns) were merged to form Upper Clyde Shipbuilders (UCS). :bbpd: Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. I lived at 73 Nethan Street, Govan. Remember, Charlies sweet shop opposite us, where after playing football we were soaked in sweat, you got a glass of lemonade for threepence. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. I remember the Neptune Street bakery was always flooded and full of cats but people would still queue up outside it. We offer great benefits for wine merchants, hotels and restaurants offering your wines. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. Again, where were the democratic, caring authorities when the 1987-1990 Glasgow Housing Condition Survey found that in a third of the citys houses suffered from condensation, dampness and mould and did little about it? [29], Kvrner of Norway, as part of a planned development of a large international shipbuilding group, took over Govan. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply I guess I drifted away from Govan for some time although I watched it contract as the shipyard industry faded and that was until my interest was aroused as the company I was working for took up new premisis near the Southern General as it was then. I used to visit your Mum and Dad. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. Thanks in advance :). Pieces 'n Jam and a Bottle of Water climb on top of a Air Raid Shelter and have a picnic, Aye happy days and not a Tablet or Mobile phone in site. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). Above is a quote from a seasoned Timfrom the unfairly labelled Wine Alley (Moorpark) area, once of greater Govan, just off Broomloan Road. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Just answering Margaret Fletcher's post below. I remember on Sunday mornings being taken with my sister, Elizabeth, on a No. Our young sister was married in St. Anthony's years later. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. 110m Govan Road Campus . In 1855, an elaborately carved sandstone sarcophagus was found during digging in the churchyard. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Synopsis Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. Second, two documents from the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU), which focus on the decline of the urban neighbourhood, argue that the decline almost always starts with a lack of work. Vine Alley Bistro 13 reviews Claimed Wine Bars, Wine Tasting Classes Edit Closed 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM Hours updated 2 months ago See hours See all 31 photos Write a review Add photo Location & Hours 114 Market St Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Get directions Edit business info You Might Also Consider Sponsored iRock Karaoke Lounge 141 Govan was then one of 15 police divisions in the former Strathclyde Police and accounted for 20% of all homicides in the force. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. Jackson retired in 1992 after a distinguished 32-year career with Burnside and his cohorts still behind bars. Following decades of decline, with existing residents experiencing prejudice and only those with little other choice willing to move to the area, Moorepark was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in the United Kingdom, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). I am Mary Haggarty and it was 95 Golspie street, cannot believe someone remembers, my mum will probably remember your family will ask her tonight. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. Just looking for anybody who new the Paterson, dad george known as Geordie and mum Betty, sisters Elaine, Brenda and brother George. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. There, two local cops came up with the idea of using several of the houses to keep a 24-hour watch on the gang. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. And increase their/your revenues. contact the editor here. 14). Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. HP10 9TY. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. First, if the government are to tackle inequality and the centring of disadvantaged groups, then they will have to understand that it is the housing system itself that creates it. policy initiatives given due regard. 100m Freshair Salon . Now offering wine & beer by the glass! Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. Bishop King. Three times during my young life I was sent away to residential schools for being undernourished while just before my 14th birthday I was put away in an approved school (in 1963) for a large number of burglaries. We would have concerts and the money raised would organise a trip to the seaside for the kids of the area. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. Reply. Almost went to St Anthony's primary. But. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. Poor Man, he said to my Mother, "the way she's trying to kick me I think her hips are fine". My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. If I could I would have bought many! Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? The Old Govan Fair. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. Does anybody recognise the name? I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. Media/news company. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. My father was a chemist who worked for the SCWS. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! My husband and I ended up going into the USA. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. Acumfaegovan born and brought up on Langlands Road with my sisters Susan and Elaine Wilson by my wonderful parents Vera and Bill Wilson. It never surfaced again until Lil Feeney came looking for me (who I had known from Govan Initiative) and asked me if I would be interested in helping to write a Report on poverty and deprivation (along with herself and Brian) inspired by Darners book on the same theme. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. I agreed and the result is the Report, which you now have today which is meant for the October 17th World Poverty Day. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. Teraz nie. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! Loved going into Amy's Cafe after coming out of Mackays for my Easter outfits. approached in flavour to wine. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. Very happy days. My Gran Haggerty lived in 3 Helen Street Govan (above the CO OP). I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. In Canada, I joined the Royal Canadian Air Force, and served 37 years before retiring. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. We didn't have an inside toilet but had to use one on the landing which served two other families. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. I think the whisky bond was one of them. This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. I went to St Anthony's then St Gerard's and was there at the same time as Billy Connolly though he is a year older than me. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. I remember our next door neigbours on the ground floor the Meechans and particularly John,who was around the same age as myself. In fact, Glasgow Corporation was so determined to place many of the cities socially deprived into Moorepark that they even advertised for them in the newspapers. [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. Very fond memories. The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. Comedian. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. It is now an industrial estate . Teddy boys jumped on little bike and broke it. Lastly, the reflections are intended to be used as a tool among the many Church, statutory, voluntary, and charitable organisations, to aid and encourage a fresh approach to the eradication of poverty in our lives today. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. pigella miraculous ladybug power. I still have a picture in my mind of your father Guido, a very handsome man. I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. In reply to these petitions, the Scottish Parliament wrote to Glasgow City Council and to Scottish Enterprise Glasgow, asking for their responses to the submission and within 4 months, Glasgow Council had taken steps to set up the Central Govan Action Plan.16 Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. Create New Account. Govan has had several local newspapers over the years such as the Govan Chronicle and Govan Press published by the Cossar Family (1851-1983) and by John Maclean (20062014) which also served the communities of Kinning Park, Cardonald, Penilee and Hillington, and the Govan Post (19831988) published by Cook, Paton & Co. of Paisley, now part of Dunfermline Press. We also have a great selection of craft beers! The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. Many members of the family were married at St Anthonys Chapel. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland tourscotland 31K subscribers 111 27K views 5 years ago Tour Scotland wee video of old photographs of Govan, Glasgow, on the south bank of the River Clyde,. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. Anyone remember Quinn's pet shop in Harmony Row? George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us.